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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 14:51:23 GMT -5
Thank you everyone! I'm feeling almost normal. Or at least what normal is for me. lol.
I made the decision to send Mason back. They were very understanding. I just don't think he's a horse that will be able to move off of their property. Our sport pony is like that. I sold her one time, and had to go take her back. I decided to let her live here forever. That was 12 yrs ago. I haven't regretted it.
I do feel bad. When he's good...he's wonderful!! But when he's bad, it's dangerous. I learned a lot from this. Now moving on! I know what kind of horse I want, but now to just see how it all comes together.
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Post by cyndi on Jun 23, 2013 17:11:15 GMT -5
Glad you're feeling better Nana!
Tough decision about Mason, but it sounds like you've thought this through and tried your best to make it work.
I read in the "Coop" that you had a horse in mind, and would be sending it off for training. That got me thinking about something...
Will you be looking for a John Lyons certified trainer, or will you look for someone else? I know that sometimes it's hard to get the type of trainer you'd prefer, simply because of distance. I find myself in a bit of a position these days that has me all confused. Perhaps I'll start a new thread, but in the mean time I'll mention it quickly here. I am in need of some coaching. There is a John Lyons trainer about an hour from my barn, but he's not able to come out weekly for lessons, and I have no way to get Fanny to him once a week either. A co-boarder had her horse trained by this fellow and her horse is SO calm and well-behaved!!! The trainer is willing to come out and do a clinic with us, but I need someone who can help me more than that.
My trimmer is also a horse trainer who specializes in helping women with confidence issues (that'd be me!). She is a nice lady, and her ads say that she is gentle. She uses pressure and release in her training. She is over an hour away and is only out to trim Fanny's feet every 6-8 weeks. She's willing to stay and do a training session while she's here.
I also have two friends who have been doing Parelli for 6-7 years and they are willing to come help me. They are really nice gentle ladies, and they are the ones who moved Fanny to our new barn a month ago. One of the ladies is also studying Colleen Kelly's rider biomechanics, which would definitely help me.
So what are some suggestions? I have been trying to do things on my own for a couple of years, but feel like I have only gotten 'so far' and need professional help. I'm tired of struggling along alone.
The last thing I want to do is confuse myself and Fanny by doing a little of this and a little of that with a bunch of different people. I want to be consistent, but perhaps even having a lesson once in a while and then doing "homework" in between lessons would be enough?
I'm not trying to hijack your thread, Nana, so I'll start a new one if there is going to be a big discussion about my question.
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Post by ghostrider on Jun 23, 2013 21:04:47 GMT -5
I know how much you wanted Mason but if he's not a good fit then better to get out now and find that right horse. cyndi, have you thought about getting the Bringing up Baby by John Lyons, going through the lessons and when you do get stuck having someone help you. You'd have the manual and the PP ladies should have the same exercises only called by another name I imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2013 21:46:18 GMT -5
Denise...I did realllly want him...I was so excited. DH took me on a 4 wheeler ride today and we passed the horse pasture a few times. Just seeing him makes me sad. I feel bad, but relieved all at once. I agree, though, best get on with it!
Cyndi....I agree with Denise. I also agree that you should get some help. I don't take lessons on a regular basis, but I do get help from time to time. I need another set of eyes if nothing else.
As far as the trainer...I'll use my trainer that I always use. I love riding anything she has trained. I do see a bit of John Lyons in her, along with a few others. I am thinking abt buying a yearling colt from her. He is out of her stallion, and I've been thinking abt getting one of his babies for a while. I'm going to go look at him tomorrow. These ponies are so quiet. They are like robots. But...I'm not buying anything I don't feel 100% comfy with. I'm a bit gun shy now.
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Post by MaryS on Jun 24, 2013 6:26:39 GMT -5
I'm sorry they he didn't work out. Hoping you find the right fit soon.
Cyndi, I use anybody that has suggestions. But, I don't always use it. Remember the 3 rules and use that as a guide to decide if the suggestion is safe for you. If you have any reservation, don't do it. Maybe every time your farrier comes out, have her watch you ride/work, then let her give you a couple things that she wants improvement on for the next time.
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Post by cyndi on Jun 24, 2013 8:58:54 GMT -5
Many thanks to everyone for their input! I appreciate that you are an open bunch, and will get help from trainers you feel comfortable with, whether they're Lyons or not. I will definitely get help. I've got so many books and have watched so many videos, but now I need someone to watch me and guide me along. My former trimmer (she moved away ) told me over a year ago that I have lots of head knowledge but now I just need to attend clinics and such to get further guidance. I haven't done that, because I had no way to get Fanny to these clinics, but now that I have people willing to come to our barn that makes a world of difference. I am SO ready to move ahead!! And if there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's to protect my herd! I will not tolerate any trainer who is disrespectful or rough with either Fanny or me!
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Post by vsolubo on Jun 25, 2013 12:20:36 GMT -5
Nana, I understand how it feels to get a horse you really like & it just doesn't turn out the way you thought it would. Hope the colt thing works out!
Cyndi, try each out & see which 1 you prefer. I know several people that really like Parelli & several that really don't like him. I think if you start at game 1 of his games, but have a good knowledge of horses & riding & just need some confidence, you might get bored; but you might find it eye opening on getting your confidence also! Your trimmer sounds like a good deal also; even if it is every other month as opposed to every week.
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Post by cyndi on Jun 25, 2013 12:57:05 GMT -5
I know what you mean about Parelli, V. I started to take Parelli lessons before I even got Fanny, because it was recommended to me. And you're right, I got bored. I am a fairly artistic person, but I found myself unable to come up with ideas for the games. I kept drawing a blank. And my instructor had a way of making me feel like I didn't have a clue what I was doing - you know...like no one would ever be as good as her I have since found out that this particular instructor is not well-liked even by other Parelli instructors, because of her arrogance. But then I met these other two ladies and they are really really nice. I'll see how it goes. They know of my former P instructor and said that she is not a good representative of the method. I was at a P "show" on June 8th and 9th, and all I can say about "the founder" is that he is a great businessman and merchandiser. Not a fan of him personally, but I did get a few things out of the show. I was a little confused with him because he'd be helping someone in the arena and telling them what to do, yet when he worked on a young colt he didn't seem to be following his own rules. lol One thing that really drew me to John Lyons is how nice and "simple" his lessons are. They seem very straight forward - no fancy gimmicks. It's laid out plainly and "structured", which is good for me. For instance, I like that at the beginning all I have to aim for is to move a certain 'spot' on Fanny. The fine-tuning comes later, but there is no pressure to get there right away. As long as it's not raining next week when the trimmer comes out, I should ask her ahead of time if she can give me a short lesson so that I know what she's got to offer.
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Post by ghostrider on Jun 25, 2013 22:42:08 GMT -5
My neighbor in Wy was a big P.P. follower. She went all over to his clinics and boasted how she slept with him. She bought a P.P trained horse for one of his certs and got bucked off. It's all I know of P.P. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2013 7:52:16 GMT -5
I love JL, but I also have gotten tons of help from Julie Goodnight. She has video lessons on her web site. You have to pay for them, but I think it's worth it.
I've never been interested in PP, so I have no feedback on that. I'm so happy, though, that you have some help! We all need that.
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Post by cyndi on Jun 28, 2013 19:23:41 GMT -5
I've heard really good things about Julie Goodnight, too. So many good trainers out there.
Just out of curiosity I double checked on the distance of the JL trainer to the barn we're at, and it turns out he's only a half hour away! That's closer than my PP friends! I know he'll come do an all-day clinic for $100 per person, so maybe I should talk to my friend and get the ball rolling! That'd give me a good taste of what he's like as a trainer.
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Post by ghostrider on Jun 28, 2013 22:52:43 GMT -5
Wish I were closer. I'd love an all day clinic.
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Post by cyndi on Jun 29, 2013 9:33:22 GMT -5
I've never been to a clinic with Fanny. I'd really like to do that. I know I would get a lot of pointers on how to improve, but I'd also like to know if I'm doing anything right! It's always encouraging when a professional tells you you're doing something well Our barn has a paddock that everyone rides in, but it's still lumpy and bumpy. Maybe someday our barn owner will make us a sand arena like he made us a round pen. Now that I've read in here how some of you use t-bars and pvc pipe, a new sand arena may not be unrealistic...even if we had to pitch in and pay for it ourselves. There is one area I have in mind in the main pasture where the horses poop and don't graze. It overlooks the ravine, and I think it'd be perfect for a riding area. Hmmmmm.....
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Post by horsespoiler on Jun 30, 2013 0:25:56 GMT -5
Can you get the BO to disc or rip the paddock and then harrow it? That would go a long ways towards smoothing it out. Because of the mud we have around here (sticky gumbo) footing is always the most expensive part. $10,000 - $20,000 to have it done right, although if I had to choose between footing or a cover I'd choose footing. We really do have pretty mild weather here for the most part. Unless you're working with real green horses most just need a psychological barrier to work with. I'm glad you can have clinics at your new barn. I think I'd like to go to one too.
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