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Post by ghostrider on Feb 19, 2014 15:45:32 GMT -5
The rep for Schutz said "that's strange I didn't think we had anything on back order, we make them here in IL." She checked and nope they aren't on back order! URGH Also can't order over the phone and I hate using my card online after the deal in Aug when someone hacked my account. Anyway very nice woman who would have looked up some other vendors nearby but I told her I'd just order it online. So I should have them in 2-7 days.
Nana internet is really, really ADDICTING when it comes to the ease you can shop horse stuff!
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Post by wjminwi on Feb 19, 2014 20:23:25 GMT -5
Just a minute to tell you, nana, that I want to try those Fat Babies next!
Denise...good memory! We still have no way to rescue that horse. The state has done their thing, which is basically nothing, and she is stuffed in a manure-filled barn for the winter. I hope she is being fed. Can't see anything but her head out the window, and the last time I saw that was about a month ago. Talked to a couple who were out walking and live nearby there, and they said that the horse never is outside in winter. They were concerned about her too, but not enough to do anything. I am having a hard time going over there...I have to go out of my way a bit to do so...it's just too sad.
We are now debating whether to take the mini that my dd learned to ride on...my friend who owns him wants to re-home him after having him 15 years (how she can do that, I don't understand). He needs a dry lot though, which we don't have, and I hesitate to ask my dh to pay to set that up. So we'll see how that shakes out.
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 19, 2014 22:15:25 GMT -5
W, I'm sorry to hear that. It's sad how anyone can do that to a horse. It's one reason I don't watch those rescue shows it's just too horrible.
Can you use T-posts and hog panels? seem like an easy set up if you have the shelter already. Being a mini she wouldn't need anything to tall. I can't imagine selling either Boomer or Buddy. I wouldn't have sold Frisco if I had a choice, I still miss him so much. If I thought I could afford to keep a third horse I would have taken him too. As it was DH promised he'd help with the horse costs if I took DS's horse. YEAH like that ever happened. I have dreams of buying him back, maybe some day.
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Post by vsolubo on Feb 20, 2014 12:34:14 GMT -5
I have a Tipperary Sportage & love it, very comfy & lightweight. The problem with head injuries is you often times don't die quickly; more often you just remain alive but with reduced brain function or in a coma. I've had 2 friends, both way more athletic & better riders than me end up in coma's & their children had to make the decision to cut off life support. Another man I grew up around spent the last 40 years of his life with the brain function of a 2 year old & his kids had to take care of him until he died. I still remember going over to play with his grandkids, who had to help change his diapers & feed him. This was a professional horse trainer, so very good rider. I think all minors should be required to wear helmets & adults who allow their children to ride without helmets should be prosecuted for child endangerment, but adults should have the choice. That choice should not include trying to talk other adults out of wearing a helmet though, just say it's not their choice.
I love my Wintec all purpose English saddle, but it was fitted specifically for Bear & was way too big for Colt & now too way too big for Marie. I am thinking about selling it, it is almost like new since Bear had his injuries not long after I bought it. The vet keeps telling me that Bear needs to be ridden "lightly", but I tried a few weeks ago (once again) & we went lame after just a few minutes of walk/trotting. His bad leg is a rear leg & I noticed he is starting to have problems getting up. Than when he gets up he is 3 legged lame for several minutes, goes down to just a limp for several more minutes than he seems fine. I almost never see him go faster than a walk though. I have him started on a supplement, can't think of it's name right now, but it really helped Colt through his last 3 or 4 years so I am hoping it helps Bear live several more years.
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 21, 2014 0:35:50 GMT -5
"""I""" think people who make laws for parents aught to first be a parent then they might be in the position to judge how to do it. Most injuries involving horses are not in the saddle but on the ground. So therefore should any parent who allows their child to feed a horse, walk through the pasture or lead their pony without first putting on a helmet, or maybe even a vest? be prosecuted and sent to prison? Maybe if you have a minor child you shouldn't be allowed to have a horse? We all know accidents happen and owning a horse and having a child is putting him/her at risk.
There are how many more bicycle riding accidents involving children every year then horse back injuries and yet the prisons aren't filling up with neglectful parents. Shark attacks are on the rise but parent's abound at the local beach sides every year. School shootings are on the rise, why are parents aloud to gamble with their minor childs life? how about airplanes, buses, trains, and just getting into a car unnecessarily? Texting on cell phones are killing kids. Lots' of boating accidents in MO alone taking kid's lives. More than I've heard of horse accidents. Where do we draw the line? When do we start putting them in prison because they're not bubble wrapping their kids and locking them in their rooms?
Children have their own angel do you trust God with your child? Do you trust that God knows when He will take you or your child home? I do which is why I said before we ever ride I always pray for protection. God has taken two of my children home and it wasn't due to neglectful parenting, or because they fell off a horse it was for Kelley Marie walking across the road at the corner with a green light and a much older brother walking beside her,she did everything the way she was taught, it was due to God's time line. And Michael was also doing nothing wrong, they stopped to look at the lights and his friend backed up too far and they went over an embankment, were knocked out and drowned. It was a freak accident. God takes us home when our reason for being here is complete.
Matthew 18:10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father who is in heaven.
I must have missed something, didn't see anyone trying to talk someone out of wearing a helmet?
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Post by vsolubo on Feb 21, 2014 2:51:19 GMT -5
Denise, I wasn't talking about you. Every trail ride I have ever been on adults have talked down to people wearing helmets. I've heard them belittle people, daring them to ride without them, even calling them names (coward is big with the no helmet people, as well as telling people if they could actually ride they wouldn't need a helmet). It is one of the main reasons I started refusing to ride with groups.
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Post by Kirk Martin on Feb 21, 2014 9:14:36 GMT -5
What was important for me was to know why people choose or choose not to use certain safety equipment. The reasons can be personal or maybe someone found the equipment does not work or is harmful in certain situations? I wanted us to have a safe discussion on the topic and I commend you both for sticking to the topic because it can be an emotionally charged topic on both sides. I think discussing it helps us understand each others beliefs and opinions and promotes tolerance and mutual respect. It might also show us how our words affect others and how they might be interpreted differently than was meant. It also helps us make better choices with our hard-earned $$$ so we can obtain equipment we think important that will serve its purpose well. I started a Safety Equipment thread for these important conversations that I would encourage everyone to use, so we can keep our Saddles and Tack thread on track. Please keep the conversations going though!
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 21, 2014 12:56:45 GMT -5
V it sounds like you found a terrible group of horse owners. None of the people I ride with have ever disrespected another for riding in a helmet although we did laugh at a friends husband who showed up with a bicycle helmet because he didn't own a riding helmet. The friend also had to stop 30 min out and turn her helmet around. If you notice one of our group in the mountains of WY rides with a helmet. But telling someone how to raise their child or live is invasive. As a parent we make choices through our own experiences and our own understanding of where we ride and where our child is with their horse. It is more dangerous for me and my son to feed them then it is to ride them. Believe me I have done the research before I ever decided on what rules to enact. Do you find it odd that 4H kids do not ride in helmets? or that horse shoes don't mandate them? Because actually RIDING a horse is not where the danger is. Not knowing safety around a horse is where they educate the kids. In all the years I've owned horses I don't know one single person who was ever hurt while riding, not even when coming off but I know a handful of people who were injured on the ground. One girl Matt's age (then 11) was kicked in the jaw by a young horse and her jaw was wired shut. Parents should teach their children safety but most don't spend the time with their child out there. I can say that my son only rode solo or with friends maybe 6 times. Any other time he rode was either with me or with our group who were sane people. When Matt did ride solo it was in the nature park where there were lots of witnesses or the rodeo grounds. Safety for the horse as well as my son has always been a priority. I applaud nana because if Matt had wanted to go into jumping or another horse based sport I would have stuck a helmet on his head too. Anytime you join a sport like jumping it increases the danger and therefore you should increase the amount of protection. Where we lived and rode is not like what any of you are used to. Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedIf you are interested this is a list of other problems that cause accidents in the saddle which we have all done or seen done in our riding groups. Most are caused from not being able to judge the horse and rider or not being a one one one parent to teach your child safety. Not wearing a hard hat Failure to match horse and rider Going too fast on dangerous terrain Failure to check cinches a first time and a second time after a few minutes of riding A hat or coat falling from a horse in front and spooking the ones behind A kick from a horse On foot in the corral Riding when overweight and out of shape Lagging behind and catching up by speeding forward Prematurely “bailing out” to get off a runaway Unqualified ride leaders Having too many riders for the number of guides Improper mounting and dismounting Attaching lead ropes or reins firmly at inappropriate times Stirrups and boots Tying a horse with too much slack Riding with loose horses Running Home
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 21, 2014 12:57:07 GMT -5
double post
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 21, 2014 13:01:01 GMT -5
This is S.W WY...
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Post by luvmymorgan on Feb 21, 2014 19:29:39 GMT -5
Kirk, the reason I wear a helmet is because I am already fighting a losing battle of blonde hair vs brains. Seriously, I wear one because I have too many animals depending on me for their care,& I don't want to be a burden on my family if something would happen. Just can't see myself with mental/physical limitations caused by a head injury when it could have been prevented. Yes, I know I could get hit by a car crossing the street but I believe in being as safe as possible. I know when the Lord calls us home it will be his decision, but he has also given us the responsibility to take care of ourselves to the best of our ability. In my opinion that means taking all the safety precautions we can. JMHO. Getting off my soapbox now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2014 20:52:51 GMT -5
Denise...in my state 4-H kids have been required to wear helmets for the past 20 years. Most horse shows in my area require kids to wear helmets as well.
As you know, I think it is best to put a helmet on a child, but I do not judge you for your decision. I do not judge you for not wearing one yourself. These are choices we all get to make for ourselves.
My best riding buddy doesn't wear a helmet and never made her kids wear them. She's a good mom, one of the best. Did I cringe when she let her kids ride without helmets? You bet. But it wasn't my choice, it was hers. She recently told me she can't get her son to use a harness when hunting in a tree stand. If he were my son, hunting privileges would be taken away. But again...he's not mine, and not my decision to make. I don't judge her for her choice.
If minors ride on my farm, they wear helmets. That's a rule. If an adult wants to ride without one, I let it go. I have extra helmets and always offer one to them, but it's their choice.
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 22, 2014 0:02:00 GMT -5
That's just it nana it is a choice one which only you can make for your family and I for mine. If a minor child rides on my property they would need boots and a helmet as well. Even if their parent were present. I would not be upset if my son needed a helmet to ride on your property either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 16:16:35 GMT -5
I was just reading that list, and I sometimes ride in the pasture with loose horses. I keep an eye on them and if anyone started acting like a dodo bird, I'd hop off. Mostly they stay away from us, though, so I haven't had any issues. It's like they don't want to get too close or I might ride them. LOL. One time I rode past Mischka and Angel tried to turn her butt and kick her but that was quick to fix. LOL.
Anyone have specific riding clothes you love? I usually just ride in jeans and a t-shirt, but if it's hot out, I'll ride in shorts, or capris. It's quite a sight, I'm sure. I try not to ride in baggie clothing, too. Of course, I always wear boots.
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Post by cyndi on Feb 28, 2014 19:25:43 GMT -5
I usually wear jeans as well. I have a couple pairs of breeches, because it's nice to have barn-specific clothes, but I usually end up just going in whatever jeans I happen to be wearing. lol I have never worn shorts or capris to ride, mostly because I wasn't sure if it was a safe thing to do. I guess it's okay On top, I just wear whatever is weather-appropriate, which is a t-shirt most times. Sometimes a tank top. I like to wear some sort of glove as well. As soon as you add the word "riding" to the word 'gloves', the price seems to skyrocket (along the same lines, I can't believe how much people will pay for a horse-related polo top or t-shirt!), so I have been buying leather-palmed gardening gloves from TSC. They have mesh on the top of the hand, which helps keep my hands somewhat cooler. Fanny spooked really bad one time and my nylon reins slid through my hands and burned the skin off, so I've worn gloves to ride since then, no matter what type of reins I use. I wear a variety of footwear, from rubber boots to knee-high English riding boots, but they all have a heel.
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