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Post by cyndi on Jan 6, 2013 21:21:28 GMT -5
I've been trying to get "Lyons on Horses", but can't find it anywhere except in ebook version It's not even on his website. Is it out of print 'forever'? I hope not. That's why I haven't gotten it yet from my husband. What would be the next best book to get? "Bringing Up Baby"? Or maybe one of the training manuals that has the DVDs with it? Will have to save up for those. I couldn't decide which DVDs to get, but decided on the Trail Riding series because it was on sale...and that's what I am most interested in for Fanny and me. I'm a visual learner, so I'm really looking forward to seeing the series. I'll let you know what I think...but I have a feeling I'll really like them. I'd like to get hands-on advice (take lessons) from a JL trainer who lives about an hour away, but I don't have a trailer, and the trainer doesn't travel to other barns. The best I could hope for is to attend one of his clinics and pay someone to trailer Fanny for me.
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Post by ghostrider on Jan 6, 2013 22:36:00 GMT -5
They have one tonight on Amazon used for $10 and another seller that says you can order and they'll send it to you when it comes in.
I have the DVD speed control and it's very good.
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Post by MaryS on Jan 9, 2013 19:53:22 GMT -5
I'd do the manuals. Save up for the ground and then go for the riding later.
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Post by ghostrider on Jan 9, 2013 21:06:52 GMT -5
I have both manuals too, very good info and great references. I had to put 1/2 the manuals into a second binder though since I put the pages in page protectors, it makes them too thick to fit in the original binder.
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Post by cyndi on Jan 11, 2013 6:58:54 GMT -5
Manuals it is
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Post by cyndi on Mar 9, 2013 19:00:55 GMT -5
Well, I've watched the Trail Riding DVDs, and got some great tips from them. I wish each segment was longer though.
I do still have questions about using the reins so much. I'm not against it, but I'm just curious, because just about any other trainer you watch talks about light hands, and using your legs and/or core to direct the horse. I would think that with time you don't have to use the reins as much, because on the DVDs I watched, John's horses were pretty sensitive to him just picking up the reins.
It is hard to not use your legs when you start out with this method!! lol I am looking forward to nicer weather and a place to "work" with my mare this year, and practice, practice, practice. My barn owner told me last year that I can build a work area. It won't be a round pen, but it'll be a nice area that is smaller than a paddock, yet big enough to be able to move around and be safe.
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Post by MaryS on Mar 9, 2013 21:43:44 GMT -5
The goal is the same as other trainers: a light, responsive horse. It's just a preference how to get there. You're correct in that the more you work with your horse, the less you have to touch the reins. Glad you enjoyed the DVDs! I'd be itching to go out and practice too!
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Post by cyndi on Mar 10, 2013 15:03:52 GMT -5
I loaned my barn owner my Trail Riding DVDs, and today we were chatting and he said he'd like to build a roundpen! Progress!!
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Post by ghostrider on Mar 10, 2013 15:36:55 GMT -5
John talks about "thinking" the cues and how the horse knows the difference when you pick up a rein and think one thing vs another. I find it's true with Buddy, I can just think it and he knows what I'm asking. Thought seems to travel down the rein.
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Post by cyndi on Mar 10, 2013 18:30:01 GMT -5
Horse sure are in tune to us, aren't they?
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Post by Kirk Martin on Feb 10, 2014 14:30:55 GMT -5
Just bought a brand new John Lyons Ground Training Manual from E-bay for $50.... Wahoo! Found his Riding Manual for $39. Lots of reading to do!
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 10, 2014 16:08:34 GMT -5
I have both and confess I have not read all of either one. I have browsed and read parts here and there. Waiting on the condensed version! LOL Kw you got a GREAT deal.
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Post by cyndi on Feb 10, 2014 16:25:28 GMT -5
Wow, that is a good deal!!! I'm still working my way through "Lyons on Horses". I'm eager for M and B to put up a roundpen this spring! I can use the arena to work with her at liberty and do the 'control direction' in there, but the roundpen will be easier.
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Post by Kirk Martin on Feb 11, 2014 9:05:22 GMT -5
I'm late to riding so being a bit of a sponge trying to learn as much as I can quickly. I help out with feeding and horse care for my friend 2-3 times a week so always learning something there! So far I've read John Lyon's Practical Horsemanship series of 8 books (didn't get the Private Lessons book). Picked up John Lyon's two video series 1-6 and 1-7 of the other series. Decided to go with VHS because they are much more affordable $19 for the first series, and $29 for the second. I also found John's Loading and Leading tape really helpful. Someone was giving away 48 issues of John's Perfect Horse magazine so for the price of postage got even more to read...good stuff. I supplemented that with Monty Roberts Join-up and Follow-up and about to start his Fix-up series. I feel so much more confident about being around horses after seeing John and Monty's material. He shares a lot of his skill in a short period of time. No don't have Lyon's on Horses yet but I won't have time to read it for quite a while!
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Post by Kirk Martin on Feb 11, 2014 9:10:21 GMT -5
I've been trying to get "Lyons on Horses", but can't find it anywhere except in ebook version It's not even on his website. Is it out of print 'forever'? I hope not. That's why I haven't gotten it yet from my husband. What would be the next best book to get? "Bringing Up Baby"? Or maybe one of the training manuals that has the DVDs with it? Will have to save up for those. I couldn't decide which DVDs to get, but decided on the Trail Riding series because it was on sale...and that's what I am most interested in for Fanny and me. I'm a visual learner, so I'm really looking forward to seeing the series. I'll let you know what I think...but I have a feeling I'll really like them. I'd like to get hands-on advice (take lessons) from a JL trainer who lives about an hour away, but I don't have a trailer, and the trainer doesn't travel to other barns. The best I could hope for is to attend one of his clinics and pay someone to trailer Fanny for me. Just saw Lyons on Horses on E-bay for $4.48 with free shipping. There were a number of reasonably priced copies too. www.ebay.com/itm/Lyons-on-Horses-John-Lyons-Proven-Conditioned-Response-Training-Pro-038541398X-/390762663430?pt=US_Fiction_Books&hash=item5afb450e06Enjoy
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